Comments on: 10 Reasons To Be Skeptical of Your Web Designer http://campcreativegroup.com/blog/2009/10-reasons-to-be-skeptical-of-your-web-designer/ Helping you fall in love with your design. Mon, 12 Jul 2010 17:43:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: 1432 http://campcreativegroup.com/blog/2009/10-reasons-to-be-skeptical-of-your-web-designer/comment-page-1/#comment-115 1432 Wed, 16 Jun 2010 21:41:59 +0000 http://campcreativegroup.com/blog/?p=186#comment-115 Looks like you work for ditley? Looks like you work for ditley?

]]> By: Kemar http://campcreativegroup.com/blog/2009/10-reasons-to-be-skeptical-of-your-web-designer/comment-page-1/#comment-114 Kemar Thu, 20 May 2010 08:00:25 +0000 http://campcreativegroup.com/blog/?p=186#comment-114 Here is my two cents on this post. I agree with on most issues. But some I strongly believe are misguided and too subjective. <br>1.There is/are reasons for now showing picture. It's just the same why people on resumes don't state your race/gender on resumes. It opens the door for discrimination/stereotypes that can steer away the client. <br><br>2. Another point is the browser back button: I can bet you that most websites have a back button even in flash pages. Please recheck that.<br><br>3. Bad Markup: While l won't object to this entirely, this is something subjective to a firm not the client. Clients vary and one won't necessarily know the difference between semantics and presentation. These terminologies are selling points for clients and for you inform or convince if they don't know of it's benefits. Example. With the proliferation of J Query and Flash, it has come to the point that you don't know the difference. So stating a bad markup isn't a strong point. Here is my two cents on this post. I agree with on most issues. But some I strongly believe are misguided and too subjective.
1.There is/are reasons for now showing picture. It's just the same why people on resumes don't state your race/gender on resumes. It opens the door for discrimination/stereotypes that can steer away the client.

2. Another point is the browser back button: I can bet you that most websites have a back button even in flash pages. Please recheck that.

3. Bad Markup: While l won't object to this entirely, this is something subjective to a firm not the client. Clients vary and one won't necessarily know the difference between semantics and presentation. These terminologies are selling points for clients and for you inform or convince if they don't know of it's benefits. Example. With the proliferation of J Query and Flash, it has come to the point that you don't know the difference. So stating a bad markup isn't a strong point.

]]> By: Four More Mistakes To Avoid On Your Website « CCG Blog http://campcreativegroup.com/blog/2009/10-reasons-to-be-skeptical-of-your-web-designer/comment-page-1/#comment-90 Four More Mistakes To Avoid On Your Website « CCG Blog Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:18:33 +0000 http://campcreativegroup.com/blog/?p=186#comment-90 [...] A couple of months ago, I wrote a post about Six Mistakes To Avoid On Your Website. I decided to follow it up with this article with five more mistakes that, if made, will be detrimental to your business. Again, seeking advice from an expert is always your best option. Choosing a professional can be a difficult task. Please refer to my articles pointing out Signs of A Good Designer and Reasons to Be Skeptical of Your Web Designer. [...] [...] A couple of months ago, I wrote a post about Six Mistakes To Avoid On Your Website. I decided to follow it up with this article with five more mistakes that, if made, will be detrimental to your business. Again, seeking advice from an expert is always your best option. Choosing a professional can be a difficult task. Please refer to my articles pointing out Signs of A Good Designer and Reasons to Be Skeptical of Your Web Designer. [...]

]]> By: 5 Ways to Get More Out of Your Money With Your Design « CCG Blog http://campcreativegroup.com/blog/2009/10-reasons-to-be-skeptical-of-your-web-designer/comment-page-1/#comment-77 5 Ways to Get More Out of Your Money With Your Design « CCG Blog Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:15:30 +0000 http://campcreativegroup.com/blog/?p=186#comment-77 [...] if your designer offers consulting as well, be prepared to pay for them to get you organized. Any good designer will ask you to fill out an in-depth design questionnaire before they begin your project (unless [...] [...] if your designer offers consulting as well, be prepared to pay for them to get you organized. Any good designer will ask you to fill out an in-depth design questionnaire before they begin your project (unless [...]

]]> By: Kimberly http://campcreativegroup.com/blog/2009/10-reasons-to-be-skeptical-of-your-web-designer/comment-page-1/#comment-87 Kimberly Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:06:30 +0000 http://campcreativegroup.com/blog/?p=186#comment-87 Well said, Second Adam. I agree wholeheartedly. Well said, Second Adam. I agree wholeheartedly.

]]> By: Adam http://campcreativegroup.com/blog/2009/10-reasons-to-be-skeptical-of-your-web-designer/comment-page-1/#comment-86 Adam Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:10:49 +0000 http://campcreativegroup.com/blog/?p=186#comment-86 Hey Sarah, I just wanted to say kudos for posting this article and keeping the conversation going, despite the negative reaction by one commenter. While he did have some valid points, they were over shadowed by his delivery method and lack of proof reading.<br><br>Was he correct in suggesting that the goal of this article is to "pimp" your company? I hope so, seeing as how you're in the web design business and this is your company blog. :)<br><br>However, the important take away from this is that you shouldn't stop posting these types of articles just because your site isn't 100% perfect or for fear of a back lash. While "the other" Adam clearly has it all figured out and doesn't need your help, there are many people out there who don't know what to look for in a web designer and would find this article useful. To say nothing of the fact that responding to comments, both positive and negative, make you a better writer, designer, developer, etc. Your readers learn something and you learn something; everybody wins!<br><br>Like Dan said above, most of these problems that Adam pointed out can easily be fixed when time and client work permits. The important thing is that your professionalism is clearly evident in the way you handled these comments. If I'm a potential client doing my homework on a web design firm, you may have just sold me on your company. Maybe you should add "Professionalism" as the number eleven thing to look for in a web designer. Keep up the good work! Hey Sarah, I just wanted to say kudos for posting this article and keeping the conversation going, despite the negative reaction by one commenter. While he did have some valid points, they were over shadowed by his delivery method and lack of proof reading.

Was he correct in suggesting that the goal of this article is to “pimp” your company? I hope so, seeing as how you're in the web design business and this is your company blog. :)

However, the important take away from this is that you shouldn't stop posting these types of articles just because your site isn't 100% perfect or for fear of a back lash. While “the other” Adam clearly has it all figured out and doesn't need your help, there are many people out there who don't know what to look for in a web designer and would find this article useful. To say nothing of the fact that responding to comments, both positive and negative, make you a better writer, designer, developer, etc. Your readers learn something and you learn something; everybody wins!

Like Dan said above, most of these problems that Adam pointed out can easily be fixed when time and client work permits. The important thing is that your professionalism is clearly evident in the way you handled these comments. If I'm a potential client doing my homework on a web design firm, you may have just sold me on your company. Maybe you should add “Professionalism” as the number eleven thing to look for in a web designer. Keep up the good work!

]]> By: Sarah Camp http://campcreativegroup.com/blog/2009/10-reasons-to-be-skeptical-of-your-web-designer/comment-page-1/#comment-84 Sarah Camp Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:26:26 +0000 http://campcreativegroup.com/blog/?p=186#comment-84 Hello again, Adam, :)<br><br>The portfolio page was validating fine - which is why we were on those sites. Since launch, there has been information added to the portfolio by request - all of those errors are all coming from that information. I'm glad that you pointed it out because you're right - it needs to be fixed - and so does that one line of in-line css.<br><br>As I said to Dan, our clients come first. We don't even update our portfolio very often. The issues that you have found on our site are small issues in the grand scheme of things. Yes, they cause accessibility problems, and we do want to fix them. However, I can't just put aside our client's projects for our own site (you should have seen what it took to get it built in the first place ;) ).<br><br>I'm still not sure what you are saying regarding the navigation. Our navigation is accessible. I am not concerned with screen readers reading the sub text that is part of the images, if that's what you mean. That does not cause accessibility problems because that's not important (people don't need to read "your new best friends" it is pretty much just there to be there and hang out). The important parts of the navigation - the actual words "home" "portfolio" etc. are text.<br><br>Like I said, these are things that unfortunately, sometimes, happen. I don't think that errors in validators necessarily mean that you've found a bad developer. However, sites built completely in tables with font tags are definitely a sure-fire clue that their scripting is outdated. <br><br>I would be lying if I said that my goal isn't to "pimp my company" - because that is any business owner's goal. However, my first concern is always my clients and my intent with this article in particular is to give clients the ability to notice major problems that will *most likely* lead to issues with their own site (it IS, after all, reasons to be skeptical, not reasons to get rid of). Not to attack other web developers who are trying. No one is perfect.<br><br>Thanks!<br>Sarah Camp Hello again, Adam, :)

The portfolio page was validating fine – which is why we were on those sites. Since launch, there has been information added to the portfolio by request – all of those errors are all coming from that information. I'm glad that you pointed it out because you're right – it needs to be fixed – and so does that one line of in-line css.

As I said to Dan, our clients come first. We don't even update our portfolio very often. The issues that you have found on our site are small issues in the grand scheme of things. Yes, they cause accessibility problems, and we do want to fix them. However, I can't just put aside our client's projects for our own site (you should have seen what it took to get it built in the first place ;) ).

I'm still not sure what you are saying regarding the navigation. Our navigation is accessible. I am not concerned with screen readers reading the sub text that is part of the images, if that's what you mean. That does not cause accessibility problems because that's not important (people don't need to read “your new best friends” it is pretty much just there to be there and hang out). The important parts of the navigation – the actual words “home” “portfolio” etc. are text.

Like I said, these are things that unfortunately, sometimes, happen. I don't think that errors in validators necessarily mean that you've found a bad developer. However, sites built completely in tables with font tags are definitely a sure-fire clue that their scripting is outdated.

I would be lying if I said that my goal isn't to “pimp my company” – because that is any business owner's goal. However, my first concern is always my clients and my intent with this article in particular is to give clients the ability to notice major problems that will *most likely* lead to issues with their own site (it IS, after all, reasons to be skeptical, not reasons to get rid of). Not to attack other web developers who are trying. No one is perfect.

Thanks!
Sarah Camp

]]> By: Sarah Camp http://campcreativegroup.com/blog/2009/10-reasons-to-be-skeptical-of-your-web-designer/comment-page-1/#comment-85 Sarah Camp Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:45:56 +0000 http://campcreativegroup.com/blog/?p=186#comment-85 Hello Dan and thanks for the comment!<br>I know, and I agree with you. I agree with Adam as well. Unfortunately, the blog was an afterthought, and – as a work-in-progress – we realize there are some issues with it. However, our clients come first, and we haven't had time to address those issues; we feel they are not important enough to warrant pushing aside our clients' needs for our own. Yes, I agree, that it makes point 5 a tad hypocritical and we will address them as time allows. Thanks again for your feedback! Hello Dan and thanks for the comment!
I know, and I agree with you. I agree with Adam as well. Unfortunately, the blog was an afterthought, and – as a work-in-progress – we realize there are some issues with it. However, our clients come first, and we haven't had time to address those issues; we feel they are not important enough to warrant pushing aside our clients' needs for our own. Yes, I agree, that it makes point 5 a tad hypocritical and we will address them as time allows. Thanks again for your feedback!

]]> By: Kimberly http://campcreativegroup.com/blog/2009/10-reasons-to-be-skeptical-of-your-web-designer/comment-page-1/#comment-71 Kimberly Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:06:30 +0000 http://campcreativegroup.com/blog/?p=186#comment-71 Well said, Second Adam. I agree wholeheartedly. Well said, Second Adam. I agree wholeheartedly.

]]> By: Adam http://campcreativegroup.com/blog/2009/10-reasons-to-be-skeptical-of-your-web-designer/comment-page-1/#comment-70 Adam Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:10:49 +0000 http://campcreativegroup.com/blog/?p=186#comment-70 Hey Sarah, I just wanted to say kudos for posting this article and keeping the conversation going, despite the negative reaction by one commenter. While he did have some valid points, they were over shadowed by his delivery method and lack of proof reading.<br><br>Was he correct in suggesting that the goal of this article is to "pimp" your company? I hope so, seeing as how you're in the web design business and this is your company blog. :)<br><br>However, the important take away from this is that you shouldn't stop posting these types of articles just because your site isn't 100% perfect or for fear of a back lash. While "the other" Adam clearly has it all figured out and doesn't need your help, there are many people out there who don't know what to look for in a web designer and would find this article useful. To say nothing of the fact that responding to comments, both positive and negative, make you a better writer, designer, developer, etc. Your readers learn something and you learn something; everybody wins!<br><br>Like Dan said above, most of these problems that Adam pointed out can easily be fixed when time and client work permits. The important thing is that your professionalism is clearly evident in the way you handled these comments. If I'm a potential client doing my homework on a web design firm, you may have just sold me on your company. Maybe you should add "Professionalism" as the number eleven thing to look for in a web designer. Keep up the good work! Hey Sarah, I just wanted to say kudos for posting this article and keeping the conversation going, despite the negative reaction by one commenter. While he did have some valid points, they were over shadowed by his delivery method and lack of proof reading.

Was he correct in suggesting that the goal of this article is to “pimp” your company? I hope so, seeing as how you're in the web design business and this is your company blog. :)

However, the important take away from this is that you shouldn't stop posting these types of articles just because your site isn't 100% perfect or for fear of a back lash. While “the other” Adam clearly has it all figured out and doesn't need your help, there are many people out there who don't know what to look for in a web designer and would find this article useful. To say nothing of the fact that responding to comments, both positive and negative, make you a better writer, designer, developer, etc. Your readers learn something and you learn something; everybody wins!

Like Dan said above, most of these problems that Adam pointed out can easily be fixed when time and client work permits. The important thing is that your professionalism is clearly evident in the way you handled these comments. If I'm a potential client doing my homework on a web design firm, you may have just sold me on your company. Maybe you should add “Professionalism” as the number eleven thing to look for in a web designer. Keep up the good work!

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